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[gategrrl]

Ugh. Daniel takes Vala out on a "date" in the upcoming "I Was A Lousy Waitress" Vala-centric episode. Here's the clip on UTube, if you're interested in watching the not-date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-nUAw_xhKo

Excuse me while I stick my finger down my throat.

Comments

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

That's where we differ. I don't mind them as friends because I think that Daniel geniunely tries to see the good in people and he's trying with Vala. Mind you, I don't agree on how TPTB have rushed this on the audience to the point the characters are waxing poetic about her, but historically Daniel is one to try to be compassionate. And since TPTB have "softened" Vala, then it makes sense for him to have softened his stance on her. For me, it would be highly out of character for Daniel to continue to hate her.

[gategrrl.livejournal.com]

To me, Vala's progression to pussy-cat just doesn't ring true.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

That's what is annoying me the most. I feel like TPTB wrote themselves into a corner. I tend to look at everything from a storytelling pov, and for me, they introduced her as a sassy sexy thief. (Mind you, I also didn't like PU.) She was selfish to the core. Then, they brought her back part time and realized they needed to do something more with her character so they kept her as a selfish thief, but with a softer underbelly. Then, as a regualr, they knew that wouldn't fly, so they changed her into this really nice mommy who wants to winover her demon spawn child.

This progression is so choppy and illogical that it makes my brain hurt. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

However, I can handle Daniel a lot better this year than last year. This year, he feels more like Daniel to me. I'll never get the Daniel I want back, but the Daniel that I saw last year (with Vala) is not a character I want to watch. This year, he's got some of that spark and compassion back and I like that. But that is as far as I can go with it really. I watch the show on a surface level. And I think that is the honest reason I can give Vala some leeway this year. But I can only speak for myself.

Overall, it really does speak to poor quality in writing.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

Then, as a regualr, they knew that wouldn't fly, so they changed her into this really nice mommy who wants to winover her demon spawn child.

This progression is so choppy and illogical that it makes my brain hurt. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Exactly! And it drives me nuts. *g* It doesn't ring true, thus I don't buy it, and I don't think Daniel should either. Why wouldn't it have worked if they'd kept her as a selfish thief with a softer underbelly?

Also, I just don't get that Vala wants to win over her child. She seems very cold and ambivalent towards Adria. Daniel seems to care more about her than Vala does. Even so, they both seem very mild about it all. I get an extremely "ho-hum" feeling from them both. I don't really even get what they're trying to go for.

However, I can handle Daniel a lot better this year than last year. This year, he feels more like Daniel to me.

I feel exactly the opposite. *g* I feel like he's not anywhere close to being Daniel any more. In season 9, I felt it was a logical progression of the character, but this? I hate it.

but the Daniel that I saw last year (with Vala) is not a character I want to watch.

I didn't really want to see more of that at all, and would probably be complaining just as loud if they'd done that, because I didn't like that Daniel either except--I felt he was being the real Daniel. I still liked him and felt he was completely justified in his reactions to Vala. I just wanted him back so we didn't have to see Daniel so manic all the time.

But as far as Vala goes, if we had seen some logical progression with her character, I think I'd have been able to accept it better. Now it's just:

She's changed. She's good now.

How has she changed?

It doesn't matter. She says she's changed and everyone treats her as though she's changed, so she has changed. Also, Daniel says she's changed, and now even Bra'tack says she's changed. There you have it. She's changed.

This show actually succeeded in making me hate Bra'tac. *g* I never thought that would be possible.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

I don't buy the softening of the character at all. One of the things that made Daniel's interaction with Vala in the past was that he wasn't fooled by her at all, and now it's like he's totally snowed. I can't stand to watch it, and yet I can't look away.

I think it's highly out of Daniel's character to be so totally taken in by someone like Vala, after having learned his lessons with her the hard way--again and again and again.

I don't think Daniel ever hated her, though. I just don't think he should trust her at all or be her friend in that way.