Daniel Vala shippers got their wish granted. Jack and Sam shippers should get the same chance. ::shrugs::
They're both equally repellent ships to me, so it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But since they've been teased for years, why not give them what they what?
God because it would be HORRIBLE! Just because the Daniel/Vala shippers got what they want (and then had it totally erased at the end of the episode if I read the spoilers right) doesn't mean the rest of us should be inflicted with Jack/Carter. It's bad enough that that ship ruined the show for me, I'd rather it didn't ruin the movies for me too.
Besides, the Jack/Carter shippers got what they wanted in every single alternate reality while RDA was on the show. They've had MORE than enough of their share of ship. Those of us that despise ship should at least get SOMETHING out of SG1 after 10 years of all that shit. And by something I mean we should at least be able to enjoy the movies WITHOUT having any ship there to fuck things up. ;)
TO me that means I should also be able to "enjoy" the movies without V'D rearing up ITS ugly head, either, but instead, if I decided to watch it, it'll probably be yet another ship-fest as well.
If the show is going to be ruined for some, why not all?
But see the thing is, if it was erased at the end of S10, why would there be any ship at all in the movies? I mean other than the usual UST that the SG1 writers seem incapable of NOT writing?
The Jack/Carter shippers got their "wedding" numerous times in the series, they've gotten, in my opinion, MORE than enough "canon" for their ship. And while I understand you hating Daniel/Vala, like a lot *g*, those of us that hate Jack/Carter are in the same boat but have dealt with it for YEARS as opposed to the what, year and a half with Vala? So while I'd rather NO ship in the movies, and actually don't really expect much if any at all, I don't think that those of us that have had Jack/Carter pushed on us for 6 LONG years should be grouped in the 'if it's ruined for us it should be ruined for you' camp. The SHOW was ruined for me, for SIX years. :P I'd like the movies to not totally suck for me too. ;)
Uh uh uh, my dear fcol, no putting me in the "us vs them" camp. I despise Jack/Sam as much as V/D *however* at this point, I'm feeling that if I feel the show is ruined and HAS been ruined for me equally by both ships, then heck, why not go the full farthing, you know?
I've dealt with hating Sam and Sam/Jack as much as anyone else. To me, this would be icing on the disgust-cake.
Sam/Jack ruined Jack for me. V/D ruined Daniel for me. THE two most important characters in the lexicon of Stargate. THE two most appealing characters down the crapper.
Yeah, it's partly spite. But you know what? I sincerely doubt RDA is actually going to try to act. To actually get back into character. Nope, he's going to mug it all the way through his scenes, and the PTB aren't going to give us any "Jack/Daniel" scenes anyhow. Why not? Why, silly Daniel/Jack fans got theirs already!
I think it's already pretty well zipped up that Jack'n'Sam are going to be an item anyhow.
I agree, the ship ruined Jack COMPLETELY. And I can't really say if it ruined Daniel as I stopped watching because of the Jack/Carter ship, but from what I've seen spoiler wise it does sound as if he was ruined as well (I'm not liking the implications that they turned Daniel into a prick). Which yeah, absolutely sucks. But I can't agree that just because they've done two stupid things in this series that they should go ahead and ruin every last ounce of the show they possibly can.
I haven't seen any spoilers for the movies that would suggest RDA was coming back specifically for the ship so until I see that I will hold out hope that they aren't going that route (and honestly, I can't see them doing it at all really because if they have them get together what the HELL is Carter doing going to Atlantis for god knows how long?? And that would ruin any chance for the writers to fuck up SGA with more Carter ship and we ALL know that's all Mallozzi and Mullie are capable of writing).
I get the spite thing, I do, but I don't agree with it. ;) I'd be pissed as all get out if they had John and Teyla get together on SGA but I wouldn't want them to turn around and ruin the show even MORE by having Rodney get together with say Carter. And saying that it was ruined for you by both ships and therefore they might as well go ahead and ruin it for EVERYONE isn't exactly fair. ;) I know it's not fair that it was ruined for you, but there are still some people that can enjoy the show--ignore the ship because they tend to do things like erase it or make it another reality or whatever--and I don't think the show should be ruined for them just for spite. ;) *g* I mean--I stopped watching because of Jack/Carter and while I wanted to spork the fuck out of the writers for ruining the show for me, I didn't want them to do something else equally as stupid to ruin it for everyone else that was still able to enjoy it.
And as for RDA, honestly, his guest appearances have MOSTLY been between him and Michael right? There was the stupid wedding in 200 yes, but really, his guest spots were more about Jack and Daniel than coming to see Carter. I think he's made it pretty obvious that he enjoys the Jack/Daniel banter and I would HOPE that the writers would take that into consideration when they write his part for the movie. I can't honestly see RDA coming back specifically to say, okay so Jack and Carter are getting together because while he might have had fun playing with it in the beginning, I think by the end he hated the ship as much as us. ;) Hence the whole phoned in acting thing and the obvious boredom with the writers writing Jack as little more than Carter's love interest. So no, until I see proof that that's what they're planning, I won't believe they'll actually have Jack and Carter get together because like I said, it would muck up any potential storyline they could spew up Carter/'love-interest' wise on SGA and considering Carter's storylines on SG1 for the last like what 4 seasons were little more than who she was bedding, lusting after, marrying, not marrying, I can't see the two chocolate drips being able to come up with a whole season that never EVER mentions her latest fling.
So while I get the whole disappointment and anger over the Daniel/Vala thing, and that you're kind of at the point of 'who cares now anyway'...I care. ;) And I think a lot of other people care too.
I've NEVER enjoyed ship on SG1, unless you count Daniel/Shau'ri and Jack/Sara and I'll NEVER be happy to see them go ahead with ship between the team because I'll always be pissed that they're implying it's simply IMPOSSIBLE for a man and woman to work closely together and NOT end up in bed, or end up falling in love. Hello, people do that every freaking day. *grumbles*
*****snerk* Sorry!!! I really need to cut down on my rambling*****
But that being said, this show was like my obsession for 8 years (before I stopped watching) and now that it's over, or will be with the two movies, I want to be able to say, okay they ended it good, they ended it in a way everyone (or almost everyone) could be happy with. I honestly want it to end in a way that will allow me to go back and finish watching the rest of the series without constantly wanting to set fire to my DVDs. And ending it with MORE ship, won't do that. It will only assure I never ever watch the movies or the rest of the series, EVER. And as STUNNED as the writers are most of the time, I don't think they're stupid enough to end the entire series in a way that will piss off two thirds of their entire fanbase.
They ended the season with ship that got erased at the end--that's no worse than the whole annoying, so fraking annoying, alternate realities where EVERY Jack and Carter were married and Daniel was never part of the program. The shippers get what they want and those that don't like the ship can hang onto the fact that it was all erased at the end. Just like those of us that HATE ship were able to say 'it was just an alternate reality, it wasn't real for this one'. *shrugs* But having the movies actually end with "real" ship--ship that doesn't get erased, or isn't from some AR, would literally stop a LOT of fans from watching/buying/renting these movies and as they're all out for the almighty buck I don't think they'd shoot themselves in the foot like that. Especially as there's always a chance of more stargate movies.
Okay and I will totally stop rambling and spamming your LJ now. *snerk* You're free to feel what you feel hon, (I can't really say anything as you know how much I love to rant and rave about everything and anything under the sun *g*) I'm not trying to tell you not to feel that way--just that I hope the writers don't do what you're suggesting. ;)
I agree with you about S/J btw - that we'll get that in the 2nd movie. Why? Because I remember listening to commentary on Lost City - back when it was supposed to be the *movie*, they were going to *go* there with Sam/Jack. There was actually supposed to be kissing and everything.
D/V ruins the show at a certain point because it means that Daniel is not the character I thought he was, but Jack/Sam ruins every single episode. I'd never, ever be able to get to a point where I could watch any season 1 or season 2 episode again without The Ship coloring my view of every episode. I was hoping that one day I'd be able to watch those episodes again without cringing and without hating Daniel, but if the ship is looming its ugly head, I'd never be able to watch again.
I also don't think the J/S shippers are entitled to anything at all, any more than anyone was or is entitled to anything on a TV show. To be honest, I actually *hope* they don't get what they want, just because of the sense of entitlement that I've seen around fandom over the past few years (and probably before I was around). Even if I was a J/S shipper, that entitlement thing would bug the crap out of me.
The show was ruined for me even before I knew about the D/V thing. (I'm still not sure what I know, though. *g*) It's the change in Daniel that ruined the show for me. I could have lived with almost anything else (besides ship *g*).
I'm still not sure if I'll be able to stop myself from watching the last 10 episodes.
At this point it just doesn't matter. Really. Like many fans, I see little in common with the SG1 I loved years ago and the one that SciFi has been airing the last couple of years.
So, yeah. Bring it on. I'll still watch it, but it just won't matter that much.
As long as I don't have to narrate it, I'm good. ;)
I'm wondering how big a sellers these made-for-DVD movies will be. Word of mouth will run rampant before a lot of people buy the DVDs. Some won't buy if they don't like what they hear. Others will buy them just for that reason.
I've been thinking word of mouth may make or break the movies. There will be those who pre-order or buy the day of release, but it's not like when an episode airs at the same time for everyone (in a particular country anyway).
There's going to be a lot of people who have a wait-and-see attitude, or they're just unable to watch the DVD at the time of release.
As you point out, some won't buy if they don't like what they hear, while it will attract others -- one person's trash is another's treasure -- but it will be interesting to see how the sales go and whether or not fandom members being even further out of synch with each other than normal will affect the viewership.
That's a good point too. Whenever online fans complain about anything, they've always been quick to say they're a small portion of the total viewership.
I'm sure there are a lot of fans who are online but not necessarily lurking in Stargate-centric forums. They might stumble upon it somewhere, like Sci Fi Wire or other genre sites. But as with the casting changes for SGA, the news about it was online for months before it happen (in the UK), but I know fans are still hearing about it and there'll be another hue and cry when it airs here.
Will MGM promo to movies in other venues, such as magazines and TV ads? I know Disney makes good money one their direct-to-DVD sequels, but that's a whole different market -- kids see the ads for other movies when watching DVDs, plus Disney advertises quite a bit on TV.
The last time I checked, the biggest sales outlet for books and DVDs is places such as Wal-Mart, Target, etc. They also tend to have a quick turnover of what's on their shelves, in order to make room for the next week's releases. Will the Stargate movies be able to make an impression on the casual buyer in a short window of time?
It's not easy to find a season of Stargate DVDs on my Walmart shelves. I see them occasionally, but I'm guessing they're not big sellers for Walmart. They do sell at Circuit City and Best Buy.
And don't forget that after a while, grocery stores also carry discounted DVDs on their shelves, too. I saw the pilot for Atlantis in my local Vons (Safeway) store recently for ten bucks.
So far, my local Kroger sells individual movies for about $10. I don't think I've seen any boxed sets there, but I wasn't really looking for them. I wish we could buy individual episodes. :) That'd be very cool.
I think it's partly a space issue. They can put several $20 a pop movies in the place of a $40+ boxed set. So they'll have them when they're new, but not in any huge numbers.
Besides, the general public is always on the lookout for the "new" thing, so they generally only look at what's in the "new" display section unless they're looking for something specific.
Stores like Circuit City and Best Buy tend to have a lot more space dedicated to DVDs than even the best stocked Wal-Mart, and from those I've seen, have a huge selection of boxed sets.
Meh. They can do whatever they want. I haven't the heart to ever watch it again. I figure I'll keep watching the old ones, up to S5 or so. After that? It doesn't exist.
Yeah, I think I'd rather have Daniel be all floaty for eternity than back in solid form (but too different from himself for my taste).
That's pretty much where I've decided my Stargate reality stops, too, SBG. Around the Fifth/Sixth season.
No Vala. No stupid killing off of Jacob Carter. No killing off of many many allies. No Jack becoming an ineffectual General who can't make up his mind what to order when his team is in trouble. No reality-twisting Moebius. No redoes.
When the series transferred to SciFi, ironically, it starting to do that toilet thing that Jack described in one of his explanations on the show. "Flushes like a toilet?"
Yeah, IMO, the move to SciFi really did accelerate the downward spiral.
It's really too bad, because with its original premise, it would never have had to go such a base, predictable route.
By S5, they'd definitely wrecked Sam for me but I could still hold onto Jack a little. It was bad enough seeing them really turn that screw with those two, I just couldn't watch them do it with Daniel (and so much more quickly).
Bwahaha! You know they will! There will be talk of babies! Jack will be left to care for them while Spammikins goes off to the Pegasus galaxy! It'll be sooooooo romantic, a TRUE romance and none of this AU reset business, either.
Jack will stay home to take care of the younguns while Lieutenant General Samantha Carter runs the SGC, Area 51, Atlantis, commands the ship back and forth to Atlantis every trip yet is always at the SGC because you know it'll fall apart without her since she's the only one there who does any work. During this time, she'll also create brand new, bigger, faster, more powerful space ships with brand new technology while attending PTA meetings, baking cookies and home schooling her kids. Then she'll have a gourmet meal on the table every night for her and Jack after the kids have all gone beddy-bye -- all this while dressed to the nines in pearls and heels.
Is this before or after she gives birth to the twins? Even though that was an easier preganancy than when she had her first, Jackiera, still wasn't easy when she had to single handedly save the SGC from alien invasion by using her oversized breasts to scare away the invaders.
But when the twins, Jacobia & Charlie (both girls) were born, she was determined to take time off to be with her family. Jack wouldn't hear any of it though, insisting that he, Daniel and Vala had it ALL under control and she could go back to her duties full time.
And when she finally gave birth to Robin (a boy), Jack suggested that she should spend time away from the craziness at home and stay a few months (12) with the crew in the Pegasus galaxy. Meanwhile, he, Daniel and Vala have gotten pretty used to the domestic scene, what with Vala expecting her first born (or is that second) any day now.
Dang, and that was me, who forgot to log in. *pout* I wrote you a fun story involving the births of the three Carter-O'Neill children, Jackiera, Jacera & Charile (twin girls) and Robin (boy). And it had Daniel & Vala too!! ;)
In all seriousness though, if they wanted ship on the show, they had three beautiful relationships already at hand that would have worked as background material with only occasional glimpses of the spouses: Daniel/Sha'uri, Jack/Sara and Teal'c/Drey'auc.
I agree. I liked Jack/Sara especially, and I think they could have done that relationship well without it taking over the show or interfering in other relationships on the show (friendships).
I know a lot of people didn't like Sha're, but I did. *g*
Teal'c/Drey'auc was also interesting because of the whole "other culture" thing. At times she seemed more like Teal'c's partner and at other times he seemed so sexist and overbearing with her. They could have done that in an interesting way if it was show in just tiny little bits over the years and not whole episodes about it.
Yeah...but then they couldn't have imported a sex kitten into the show to do the sexy-dress up in formal-bondage-wear and do sex teases. Much more fun this way.
I do agree, though: they *could* have figured out a way to get her back, even if with a new actress.
Think of how *innovative* it would have been to have had all THREE male characters on the show be married, and the one woman on the show be single and loving it? But these writers?
--Glassner dissolved Jack's marriage, I'd like to point out, so he's not exactly squeaky-clean with the status of the guys' relationships. Of course, Brad Wright may have strong-armed that development, along with RDA, who might have been used to being "the single star guy" instead of a married one.
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Daniel Vala shippers got their wish granted. Jack and Sam shippers should get the same chance. ::shrugs::
They're both equally repellent ships to me, so it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But since they've been teased for years, why not give them what they what?
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If the show is going to be ruined for some, why not all?
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The Jack/Carter shippers got their "wedding" numerous times in the series, they've gotten, in my opinion, MORE than enough "canon" for their ship. And while I understand you hating Daniel/Vala, like a lot *g*, those of us that hate Jack/Carter are in the same boat but have dealt with it for YEARS as opposed to the what, year and a half with Vala? So while I'd rather NO ship in the movies, and actually don't really expect much if any at all, I don't think that those of us that have had Jack/Carter pushed on us for 6 LONG years should be grouped in the 'if it's ruined for us it should be ruined for you' camp. The SHOW was ruined for me, for SIX years. :P I'd like the movies to not totally suck for me too. ;)
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I've dealt with hating Sam and Sam/Jack as much as anyone else. To me, this would be icing on the disgust-cake.
Sam/Jack ruined Jack for me. V/D ruined Daniel for me. THE two most important characters in the lexicon of Stargate. THE two most appealing characters down the crapper.
Yeah, it's partly spite. But you know what? I sincerely doubt RDA is actually going to try to act. To actually get back into character. Nope, he's going to mug it all the way through his scenes, and the PTB aren't going to give us any "Jack/Daniel" scenes anyhow. Why not? Why, silly Daniel/Jack fans got theirs already!
I think it's already pretty well zipped up that Jack'n'Sam are going to be an item anyhow.
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I haven't seen any spoilers for the movies that would suggest RDA was coming back specifically for the ship so until I see that I will hold out hope that they aren't going that route (and honestly, I can't see them doing it at all really because if they have them get together what the HELL is Carter doing going to Atlantis for god knows how long?? And that would ruin any chance for the writers to fuck up SGA with more Carter ship and we ALL know that's all Mallozzi and Mullie are capable of writing).
I get the spite thing, I do, but I don't agree with it. ;) I'd be pissed as all get out if they had John and Teyla get together on SGA but I wouldn't want them to turn around and ruin the show even MORE by having Rodney get together with say Carter. And saying that it was ruined for you by both ships and therefore they might as well go ahead and ruin it for EVERYONE isn't exactly fair. ;) I know it's not fair that it was ruined for you, but there are still some people that can enjoy the show--ignore the ship because they tend to do things like erase it or make it another reality or whatever--and I don't think the show should be ruined for them just for spite. ;) *g* I mean--I stopped watching because of Jack/Carter and while I wanted to spork the fuck out of the writers for ruining the show for me, I didn't want them to do something else equally as stupid to ruin it for everyone else that was still able to enjoy it.
And as for RDA, honestly, his guest appearances have MOSTLY been between him and Michael right? There was the stupid wedding in 200 yes, but really, his guest spots were more about Jack and Daniel than coming to see Carter. I think he's made it pretty obvious that he enjoys the Jack/Daniel banter and I would HOPE that the writers would take that into consideration when they write his part for the movie. I can't honestly see RDA coming back specifically to say, okay so Jack and Carter are getting together because while he might have had fun playing with it in the beginning, I think by the end he hated the ship as much as us. ;) Hence the whole phoned in acting thing and the obvious boredom with the writers writing Jack as little more than Carter's love interest. So no, until I see proof that that's what they're planning, I won't believe they'll actually have Jack and Carter get together because like I said, it would muck up any potential storyline they could spew up Carter/'love-interest' wise on SGA and considering Carter's storylines on SG1 for the last like what 4 seasons were little more than who she was bedding, lusting after, marrying, not marrying, I can't see the two chocolate drips being able to come up with a whole season that never EVER mentions her latest fling.
So while I get the whole disappointment and anger over the Daniel/Vala thing, and that you're kind of at the point of 'who cares now anyway'...I care. ;) And I think a lot of other people care too.
I've NEVER enjoyed ship on SG1, unless you count Daniel/Shau'ri and Jack/Sara and I'll NEVER be happy to see them go ahead with ship between the team because I'll always be pissed that they're implying it's simply IMPOSSIBLE for a man and woman to work closely together and NOT end up in bed, or end up falling in love. Hello, people do that every freaking day. *grumbles*
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But that being said, this show was like my obsession for 8 years (before I stopped watching) and now that it's over, or will be with the two movies, I want to be able to say, okay they ended it good, they ended it in a way everyone (or almost everyone) could be happy with. I honestly want it to end in a way that will allow me to go back and finish watching the rest of the series without constantly wanting to set fire to my DVDs. And ending it with MORE ship, won't do that. It will only assure I never ever watch the movies or the rest of the series, EVER. And as STUNNED as the writers are most of the time, I don't think they're stupid enough to end the entire series in a way that will piss off two thirds of their entire fanbase.
They ended the season with ship that got erased at the end--that's no worse than the whole annoying, so fraking annoying, alternate realities where EVERY Jack and Carter were married and Daniel was never part of the program. The shippers get what they want and those that don't like the ship can hang onto the fact that it was all erased at the end. Just like those of us that HATE ship were able to say 'it was just an alternate reality, it wasn't real for this one'. *shrugs* But having the movies actually end with "real" ship--ship that doesn't get erased, or isn't from some AR, would literally stop a LOT of fans from watching/buying/renting these movies and as they're all out for the almighty buck I don't think they'd shoot themselves in the foot like that. Especially as there's always a chance of more stargate movies.
Okay and I will totally stop rambling and spamming your LJ now. *snerk* You're free to feel what you feel hon, (I can't really say anything as you know how much I love to rant and rave about everything and anything under the sun *g*) I'm not trying to tell you not to feel that way--just that I hope the writers don't do what you're suggesting. ;)
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D/V ruins the show at a certain point because it means that Daniel is not the character I thought he was, but Jack/Sam ruins every single episode. I'd never, ever be able to get to a point where I could watch any season 1 or season 2 episode again without The Ship coloring my view of every episode. I was hoping that one day I'd be able to watch those episodes again without cringing and without hating Daniel, but if the ship is looming its ugly head, I'd never be able to watch again.
I also don't think the J/S shippers are entitled to anything at all, any more than anyone was or is entitled to anything on a TV show. To be honest, I actually *hope* they don't get what they want, just because of the sense of entitlement that I've seen around fandom over the past few years (and probably before I was around). Even if I was a J/S shipper, that entitlement thing would bug the crap out of me.
The show was ruined for me even before I knew about the D/V thing. (I'm still not sure what I know, though. *g*) It's the change in Daniel that ruined the show for me. I could have lived with almost anything else (besides ship *g*).
I'm still not sure if I'll be able to stop myself from watching the last 10 episodes.
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So, yeah. Bring it on. I'll still watch it, but it just won't matter that much.
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I'm wondering how big a sellers these made-for-DVD movies will be. Word of mouth will run rampant before a lot of people buy the DVDs. Some won't buy if they don't like what they hear. Others will buy them just for that reason.
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There's going to be a lot of people who have a wait-and-see attitude, or they're just unable to watch the DVD at the time of release.
As you point out, some won't buy if they don't like what they hear, while it will attract others -- one person's trash is another's treasure -- but it will be interesting to see how the sales go and whether or not fandom members being even further out of synch with each other than normal will affect the viewership.
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I'm sure there are a lot of fans who are online but not necessarily lurking in Stargate-centric forums. They might stumble upon it somewhere, like Sci Fi Wire or other genre sites. But as with the casting changes for SGA, the news about it was online for months before it happen (in the UK), but I know fans are still hearing about it and there'll be another hue and cry when it airs here.
Will MGM promo to movies in other venues, such as magazines and TV ads? I know Disney makes good money one their direct-to-DVD sequels, but that's a whole different market -- kids see the ads for other movies when watching DVDs, plus Disney advertises quite a bit on TV.
The last time I checked, the biggest sales outlet for books and DVDs is places such as Wal-Mart, Target, etc. They also tend to have a quick turnover of what's on their shelves, in order to make room for the next week's releases. Will the Stargate movies be able to make an impression on the casual buyer in a short window of time?
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Besides, the general public is always on the lookout for the "new" thing, so they generally only look at what's in the "new" display section unless they're looking for something specific.
Stores like Circuit City and Best Buy tend to have a lot more space dedicated to DVDs than even the best stocked Wal-Mart, and from those I've seen, have a huge selection of boxed sets.
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That's the kind of "word of mouth" I'd use to *avoid* the movies. Who needs it?
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Again? How many times do we have to go through with that? Daniel/Vala has been erased once, but Sam/Jack holds the record.
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If it's all reset, who cares? Again?
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Yeah, I think I'd rather have Daniel be all floaty for eternity than back in solid form (but too different from himself for my taste).
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No Vala. No stupid killing off of Jacob Carter. No killing off of many many allies. No Jack becoming an ineffectual General who can't make up his mind what to order when his team is in trouble. No reality-twisting Moebius. No redoes.
When the series transferred to SciFi, ironically, it starting to do that toilet thing that Jack described in one of his explanations on the show. "Flushes like a toilet?"
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It's really too bad, because with its original premise, it would never have had to go such a base, predictable route.
By S5, they'd definitely wrecked Sam for me but I could still hold onto Jack a little. It was bad enough seeing them really turn that screw with those two, I just couldn't watch them do it with Daniel (and so much more quickly).
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*Begin sarcasm*
Jack will stay home to take care of the younguns while Lieutenant General Samantha Carter runs the SGC, Area 51, Atlantis, commands the ship back and forth to Atlantis every trip yet is always at the SGC because you know it'll fall apart without her since she's the only one there who does any work. During this time, she'll also create brand new, bigger, faster, more powerful space ships with brand new technology while attending PTA meetings, baking cookies and home schooling her kids. Then she'll have a gourmet meal on the table every night for her and Jack after the kids have all gone beddy-bye -- all this while dressed to the nines in pearls and heels.
*Sigh*
All that romance, so little time....
*End sarcasm*
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(Anonymous) 2007-03-20 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)But when the twins, Jacobia & Charlie (both girls) were born, she was determined to take time off to be with her family. Jack wouldn't hear any of it though, insisting that he, Daniel and Vala had it ALL under control and she could go back to her duties full time.
And when she finally gave birth to Robin (a boy), Jack suggested that she should spend time away from the craziness at home and stay a few months (12) with the crew in the Pegasus galaxy. Meanwhile, he, Daniel and Vala have gotten pretty used to the domestic scene, what with Vala expecting her first born (or is that second) any day now.
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I know a lot of people didn't like Sha're, but I did. *g*
Teal'c/Drey'auc was also interesting because of the whole "other culture" thing. At times she seemed more like Teal'c's partner and at other times he seemed so sexist and overbearing with her. They could have done that in an interesting way if it was show in just tiny little bits over the years and not whole episodes about it.
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I do agree, though: they *could* have figured out a way to get her back, even if with a new actress.
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--Glassner dissolved Jack's marriage, I'd like to point out, so he's not exactly squeaky-clean with the status of the guys' relationships. Of course, Brad Wright may have strong-armed that development, along with RDA, who might have been used to being "the single star guy" instead of a married one.