Date: 2009-02-08 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] betacandy.livejournal.com
Huh. My mom was always one to ask "Where were the parents?" when a kid did a bad thing. I don't think either of us ever actually advocated punishing the parents of criminal kids, but I'm not sure it's a bad idea. Except that it would probably get perverted in the courts, as justice so often does, and you'd end up with poor parents who really did try to raise the kid right getting in trouble while rich people who are like, "Kid? What kid? Oh, that thing Nanny looks after" get off easy.

Date: 2009-02-09 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gategrrl.livejournal.com
It's a sticky concept, especially here in the Land of the Free and Brave and Irresponsible.

In those cultures, parents are firmly held responsible for their children's behavior...of course, what you usually hear about in the news are Honor Killings aimed at girls and women--but yeah, there had to be a response to boy children who don't carry out their part of the cultural bargain. I wonder if this is a rare thing in the islamic world, or a case of an especially ticked of dad who felt he had no other recourse.

As to the Korean court decision, as I said, it's still a highly patriarchical society. I don't know if the money the court extracted from them went to the rape victim or her parents, but if it was an especially ugly case, it was probably paid to them in response for her lowered value in the marriage market. (though I wonder if other rape cases have had this happen to the parents of the rapist)

Here, yeah. Problem. How can you make parents who don't *know* how to parent, don't know how to enforce rules, who are supposed to encourage independence and so forth responsible? You have a good point-the rules would be enforced differently for rich parents than for minority parents or poor parents who can't afford a good lawyer.

PS: next weekend, I'll buy you coffee and breakfast.

Date: 2009-02-09 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] betacandy.livejournal.com
Heh, I didn't even think of the Korean payment as possibly being in terms of her marriage value, but you are so right - definite possibility.

Hmm, I guess here in the US an injured party could always sue parents civilly. Just don't know how possible it would be to make a strong case. Remember the little boy in FL who was wrestling with a little girl and killed her? While his (I think) mother was supposed to be watching them both? People were SO INCENSED at that boy, who was 12 at the time, and I felt so bad. It's JUST the right age for a little boy not to realize his own strength. I don't know for sure that the mother was to "blame", but I sure didn't feel he was.

PS - no need to buy breakfast! I thought we'd established when/where but we hadn't, so it was at least as much my fault as yours. :) I'll email you in a bit.

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